Pastor Resigns After Incorrectly Performing Thousands of Baptisms:Saying "we baptize" was incorrect. The Vatican instructs priests to say "I baptize," and if it is not said that way the baptism is deemed invalid.
Church leaders investigated and determined last month that Father Arango had incorrectly performed thousands of baptisms over more than 20 years, meaning those he had baptized in Phoenix and at his previous parishes in Brazil and San Diego were not properly baptized.
The oversight has caused headaches for those now seeking answers about whether their faulty baptisms have spilled over into other elements of their Catholic faith. For instance, would it affect those who were married by the church?
"Maybe! Unfortunately, there is no single clear answer," the Diocese of Phoenix answered online. [...] It is a "requirement for salvation," according to the diocese.
Just as a priest should not use "milk instead of wine during the Consecration of the Eucharist" -- when the Catholic faith says that the wine becomes the blood of Christ -- a priest should also not alter the wording of the sacrament of baptism, the diocese said.
The milk would not become the blood of Christ, the diocese said, and, similarly, a wrongly worded baptism would not purify a person.
This puts the OPM hack to shame. In liturgical terms, this is like discovering that not only has your server had the default root password for years, but there's a rootkit, and it was installed by SATAN HIMSELF!
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I don't think it's hard to guess what I'm linking here.
This is the dumbassery that results from litteral interpretations.
I think because many baptisms are conducted in the shallows of bodies of water, you mean that this error results from littoral interpretations.
This is why I come here.
This is the dumbassery that results from religion.
I imagine a person showing up at the pearly gates, a nice old lady who's worked in an orphanage her whole life, raising brilliant kids who in turn helped others. There's a welcoming committee to usher her into heaven, but at the gates St. Peter notices a little line. "I'm sorry madam, but it says here you're not baptized. The priest used 'we' instead of 'I'. We can't let you in.".
Can someone make a YouTube sketch and mock the "We take this seriously" bullshit called religion?
The sheer nitpickiness of Catholicism attracts "rules lawyers" like nothing else, except actual law.
Something something something about calculating the number of angels able to dance on the head of a pin.
Whatever happened to "intent"? - it counts in actual law, but...
Credit where it is due, the rules lawyering in Catholicism does not even hold a candle to that in Judaism.
True - and in the spirit of rules and rules-lawyering nothing quite beats something like the Eruv. (Fascinating!)
This Eruv-status twitter account is great: @ManhattanEruv.
And by clicking on that account, I learned that members of the synagogue covered Coldplay. You're welcome.
Ouch.
It looks like a lot of them have an eruv going in one ear and out the other. Some of them even cordless.
If you say a magic spell incorrectly, it doesn’t work.
When the sacrament is performed incorrectly,the baby also has to succeed on a Wisdom saving throw, or else it takes 1d6 radiant damage.
This is why you should always consult a spell checker.
every single headline in google news this morning referenced "one word" without stating what that word was, demonstrating clearly how all news is just clickbait. so on the one hand, thanks for getting to the point immediately. on the other hand though, this shatters my fantasy that there was a dottering old priest quietly dipping babies and muttering 'domini domini' and in the middle opening his eyes wide and baring his teeth and lifting the baby above him and shrieking "UNCLEAN!!!". then quietly bending back down to continue with the prescribed domini's
If you want to avoid the NYT paywall, here it is on Chicken Noodle News: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/14/us/pastor-invalid-baptisms-resignation/index.html
I know these are Catholics, but still...
If these people weren't confirmed and thus weren't actual Catholics and consequently their church marriages, children's baptisms, etc didn't count.....then of course they get their tithes, rental fees, etc refunded to them as they didn't receive the benefits for which they had bargained. Right?
Since ya know, the Catholic church is suddenly full of legal eagles who agonize over statutory interpretation and all.
Ha - script kiddie tried to write his own crypto:
The whole thing seems rife with possible exploits, unless the Vatican has an approved translation in every single language. Or does everyone do it in Latin?
(In a delightful sidenote, apparently the ancient Greek for baptism translates to 'plunging a sword into a throat or an embryo', which sadly doesn't seem to have made it into contemporary ceremonies.)