Dinosaur Dewormer

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18 Responses:

  1. Dude says:
    2 years ago at 12:11 pm

    Huh. I never new Sauron was a right-wing talk show host?

    Then again, his former association with the underground Morlocks is similar to the average right-wing listener.
  2. Erin M. says:
    2 years ago at 4:12 pm

    Just a side note: it seems Ivermectin causes sterility, too. So... the problem might just sort itself out in due time.
    • jwz says:
      2 years ago at 4:15 pm

      We don't have that kind of time.
      • tfb says:
        2 years ago at 2:46 pm

        Also the assumption that nazism right-wing-fruitcakery is heritable and thus we should not want them to breed is ... questionable. Better argument that it's easier to indoctrinate your own children, I suppose.
        • jwz says:
          2 years ago at 2:52 pm

          Someone who chugs the horse pop is almost certainly going to be a bad parent who endangers their kids, so maybe them not having more is for the best. But yes, eugenics is bad even when you think you're only targeting schmucks.
    • Bill says:
      2 years ago at 9:42 pm

      So there's no confusion, let me explicitly say: DO NOT TAKE IVERMECTIN TO TREAT OR PREVENT COVID.

      > Just a side note: it seems Ivermectin causes sterility

      I've seen this making the rounds & it's mostly fake news. Ivermectin is a safe, FDA approved drug. It's given prophylactically to refugees from certain regions, including Afghanistan, and no, we're not trying to sterilize them.

      Ivermectin does an amazing job fighting parasites in humans. But there's no evidence it does anything fighting COVID.

      Ivermectin is a horse dewormer, but it's not only a horse dewormer. Penicillin is used to treat livestock as well, but it would be odd to call it a "bovine antibotic."

      The issue there is you can purchase animal formulations of ivermectin. Taking those is seriously Bad Idea & has health risks. But the same is true of just about any medication used both for humans & animals.

      Taking the human version with doctor approval: good. Taking animal version without doctor approval: bad.

      And again, let me repeat: IVERMECTIM IS NOT FOR COVID. I'm trying to clarify for the sake of accuracy, not to defend using ivermectin for COVID BECAUSE THERE IS NO EVIDENCE IVERMECTIM CAN BE USED TO TREAT OR PREVENT COVID. SERIOUSLY DON'T TAKE IT.
      • david konerding says:
        2 years ago at 6:44 am

        I don't think that pointing out that technically the reason people call it "horse dewormer" is as a framing device (in this context) really helps. While technically correct, the folks calling it horse dewormer are aware that it's also a human medicine, they're just tryng to shame the people taking it, rather than making a legitimate medical argument (the other part of your argument; don't take ivermectin because it doesn't help COVID and has risks, is much better).
        • Dude says:
          2 years ago at 12:04 pm

          The people taking Ivermectin deserve to be shamed. They're hoarding substances horses actually need to prolong a pandemic humans should have ended early last year.
        • tfb says:
          2 years ago at 2:51 pm

          I had assumed that the 'horse dewormer' thing was because it's both procedurally easier and less embarrassing to go to a vet and say 'my horse has worms, can I get some dewormer' than it it to go to a pharmacy and say 'I have worms, can I have some dewormer'.
      • Dude says:
        2 years ago at 12:07 pm

        Or... just a thought here, but how about not using a "well, actually..." to draw more undue attention toward a substance that doesn't help against COVID-19 when we could be keeping that same attention on the things that do.

        Things like masking, sheltering-in-place, social distancing, and that one other thing...
      • Jef Poskanzer says:
        2 years ago at 2:48 pm

        The infertility thing is real, but sounds scarier than it is. Only free-swimming sperm are killed; the production cells are fine, so you have a new crop ready to go in a few weeks.

        Hmm, I wonder if it would work as birth control in women.
      • Christian Molick says:
        2 years ago at 12:14 pm

        Ivermectin causes infertility by damaging sperm. Basically, you end up with two headed sperm with tails that are damaged or missing. Horse tenders are explicitly told not to give Ivermectin to horses that are to serve as studs.

        The big problem with coronavirus is that the concentrations of Ivermectin that are known to be safe for humans are measured in nanoliters, but the concentrations required for antiviral effects are measured in microliters. There are ongoing research projects to see if the toxicity can be somehow buffered or otherwise neutralized, but so far little to no progress on that.

        Not sure why you are bringing up Ivermectin for humans when that sold out long ago. All of the current action is with horse pills that are causing blindness and liver failure and a bunch of other stuff.
  3. K J says:
    2 years ago at 10:00 am

    Doesn't this ignore that the whole idea is to make Biden fail at beating the pandemic, regardless of the collateral damage?

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