State of South Carolina Secretary of State Subversive Agent Form

Check the appropriate box. Do you or your organization directly or indirectly advocate, advise, teach or practice the duty or necessity of controlling, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States, the state of South Carolina or any political division thereof?
[ ] YES [ ] NO

If yes, please outline the fundamental beliefs. If applicable, attach a copy of the bylaws or minutes of meetings from the last year.

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21 Responses:

  1. chuck_lw says:

    "Could I also register for your 'Preferred Insurgents' plan while we're at it?"

    "Certainly. Where's that form? ..."

  2. duplicate_id says:

    This would be the same South Carolina that boasts Fort Sumter, that bastion of defense of the United States during the, er, War of Northern Aggression?

    My, how times have changed.

    And I assume those subversive members of both the Country and the Western Parties who advocate controlling all sorts of political divisions will have to register?

  3. shalpin says:

    "This form is submitted by subversive organizations. The organization must designate a chief agent."

    I bet that puts the Anarchists in quandary.

  4. mouseworks says:

    The government of South Carolina needs to be overthrown. This is a state that brags about how little it spends on education.

  5. skington says:

    Ahem.

    Name: Democratic Party of South Carolina
    Do you etc.: YES
    If so, please outline etc.: We wish to gain more seats in the House of Representatives and/or Senate than the Republican party, and/or have our candidate elected Governor.
    Please name all other members of this organization: attach membership roster.

    This is as silly as the US immigration forms that ask you whether you are a terrorist, or were ever a Nazi / committed crimes against humanity. At least the customs forms asked you, in the same tickbox, whether you were carrying biological weapons or snails.

    I mean, I'd be interested too.

  6. a_0001 says:

    There is a serious purpose for this: to provide prosecutors with another chargeable offense in cases where proving a related crime would be difficult or awkward.

    There are similar Federal laws, like the Voorhis Act and the statute (50 U.S.C. § 851) requiring people trained as spies by foreign governments to register with the Attorney General.

    No one seriously expects trained spies to send in a registration form, but if they don't and are caught later, the prosecution only needs to show that they received the training and failed to register, rather than that they committed actual espionage. The former may be much easier to prove, particularly if the government doesn't want to reveal the nature of the secrets that were stolen or the details of a counterintelligence investigation.

    • Similarly, as recently noted by failblog, if you steal something, that's taxable income.

    • wisn says:

      If they register and are caught, the registration can be used as proof of intent.

      Net benefit to the subversive is nil, but at least by not registering they can afford a breakfast at McDonald's.

    • hadlock says:

      I worked for an educational dealer, I had to fill out this form for my employer so we could register as a vendor for them. It's slightly less silly:

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      http://www.bgsu.edu/downloads/execvp/file20582.pdf

      DECLARATION REGARDING MATERIAL ASSISTANCE/NO ASSISTANCE TO A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION
      This form serves as a declaration of the provision of material assistance to a terrorist organization or organization that supports
      terrorism as identified by the U.S. Department of State Terrorist Exclusion List (see the Ohio Homeland Security Division Web site for
      the Terrorist Exclusion List).
      Any answer of "yes" to any question, or the failure to answer "no" to any question on this declaration shall serve as a disclosure that
      material assistance to an organization identified on the U.S. Department of State Terrorist Exclusion List has been provided. Failure to
      disclose the provision of material assistance to such an organization or knowingly making false statements regarding material
      assistance to such an organization is a felony of the fifth degree.
      For the purposes of this declaration, "material support or resources" means currency, payment instruments, other financial securities,
      funds, transfer of funds, and financial services that are in excess of one hundred dollars, as well as communications, lodging, training,
      safe houses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives,
      personnel, transportation, and other physical assets, except medicine or religious materials.

      DECLARATION
      In accordance with section 2909.32 (A)(2)(b) of the Ohio Revised Code
      For each question, indicate either "yes," or "no" in the space provided. Responses must be truthful to the best of your knowledge.
      1. Are you a member of an organization on the U.S. Department of State Terrorist Exclusion List? Yes No
      2. Have you used any position of prominence you have with any country to persuade others to support an organization
      on the U.S. Department of State Terrorist Exclusion List? Yes No
      3. Have you knowingly solicited funds or other things of value for an organization on the U.S. Department of State
      Terrorist Exclusion List? Yes No
      4. Have you solicited any individual for membership in an organization on the U.S. Department of State Terrorist
      Exclusion List? Yes No
      5. Have you committed an act that you know, or reasonably should have known, affords "material support or resources"
      to an organization on the U.S. Department of State Terrorist Exclusion List? Yes No
      6. Have you hired or compensated a person you knew to be a member of an organization on the U.S. Department of
      State Terrorist Exclusion List, or a person you knew to be engaged in planning, assisting, or carrying out an act of
      terrorism? Yes No

  7. waider says:

    Reminding me of Lee Maguire:

    I've always suspected there was a huge `Big Brother' database containing everyone's private details... and now I'm responsible for writing my own entry? (link)

  8. gryazi says:

    I think we went over this already, but every state seems to have a marijuana tax, here's mine's.

    And here's a handy brochure showing how it can help support the seizure of someone's property!

  9. pikuorguk says:

    You can read that as "Do you practice the necessity of overthrowing the government"

    Which kind of implies it's your duty as US citizens to keep your government in order and make every effort to get rid of them.

    • jwz says:

      Well there's the old gag (Young Ones?), "Do you favor the overthrow of the government by subversion or violence?" "Uh... violence."

      • I less than three The Young Ones... I think one of my favorite scenes is from Nasty:

        "Greetings from South Africa!"

        "A vampire!"

        "In a parcel!"

        "In the kitchen!"

        "... hate mail!"

  10. kensey says:

    Note: Read not-very-narrowly, if your organization is dedicated to the overthrow of the government for strictly recreational purposes, this form is not required to be filed.