dnalounge update

DNA Lounge update, wherein I swallow my pride and grovel for money.
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  1. jwz says:

    Someone suggested that I make the donate page contain a "select an amount" checkbox like they do here. Anyone know an easy way to make Paypal do that? I used the Paypal button creator, and it didn't seem to have an option to do anything like that.

    • violentbloom says:

      Google checkout lets you define a dropdown with different price points. look at the foil hearts dropdown on my shop page http://www.trollop.com/shop/
      If you want, they will just auto-generate the buttons for you to copy and paste into your page. Or it has an APi.

      Also unlike paypal, I've never had to spend hours on the phone trying to get my money. It just happens magically every time. Even internationally, which was especially not true with paypal.

      You should put up a funds donated so far bar.

      • strspn says:

        Yeah, PayPal is more evil than Google. I would certainly recommend getting Google checkout working, even if it's a lot of work. What does the markup look like?

    • nidea says:

      Just view the source for this page, I did a very similar thing for PayPal.
      http://lombardinos.com/giftcards.html
      Instead of the amount being a hidden field you make it a radio button, and add more of them. Pretty straightforward.

  2. Between this and the SFRA 'loans' etc. to Yoshi's I am impressed that you can bring yourself to get out of bed in the mornings.
    I imagine that you will get lots of irksome 'why should I give money to jwz, he's a for-profit so he's practically The Man' emails / comments / vibes. Pay them no heed.

  3. ryanlrussell says:

    Only ever been in the DNA Lounge once, for an early CodeCon. And you're a bit of a curmudgeon on-line, if entertaining. But here's a token donation for having the will to fight.

  4. greyface says:

    Is it illegal/inadvisable to discuss the contents of the lewdness charge? To be perfectly honest, I'm not donating either way (I don't have a paypal account, and as much as I'd like you to beat the ACB's asses, I'm not actually going to open one to help make that happen (sorry)).
    But I am eternally curious about what the government does, when it decides it doesn't like somebody/something.

    • tkil says:

      But I am eternally curious about what the government does, when it decides it doesn't like somebody/something.

      Note that there really isn't one monolithic "government" in this case; if anything, it sounds like there's more than a bit of "little person with a little authority" complex going on.

      Anyway, background on the "lewdness" charge:

      http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2009/02.html#13

    • spoonyfork says:

      I would like to point out the fact that one does not have to open a PayPal account to use the service. You have the option to do so.

      • jwz says:

        I thought about doing this through our own online store (I'd have to write some code to make that work, since we don't have a "pick your own price" product type right now) but it seemed like most people would find Paypal a lot easier and more familiar. We'd get more of the take if I did it on my own site, though. Paypal's cut is larger than other payment processors.

        Doing it both ways -- "click here for our store, here for paypal" -- seems cluttered.

        • strspn says:

          If you aren't allowed to let them pick a favorite blog tag and least favorite screensaver, what's the point of using anything other than your own site?

          You should also do an add-your-own-mark-up donation at checkout so people can honestly say they paid $1,000 for one of your T-shirts.

          Also, the SF Wikipedia meetup is looking for a venue, and apparently the public library is out because people don't like to dodge the homeless. How much would it cost them to pay you set up some mics for announcements and the Foundation staff?

          • jwz says:

            Well, for one thing, our store currently only accepts credit cards from the US and Canada, because I couldn't be bothered to deal with fraud chargebacks. We also have IP blacklists for most of Africa and Asia. That's not a problem when selling tickets to shows, but for donations, I'd rather exclude fewer people and let someone else deal with all the fraud crap.

            Re renting the place - have whoever is in charge mail booking@dnalounge.com.

    • otterley says:

      Is it illegal/inadvisable to discuss the contents of the lewdness charge?

      Such speech is protected by the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

  5. bakunin says:

    Donated. Good Luck!

  6. yosh says:

    Please keep us all updated as the money gets spent and ask again if the need arises...some of us never have much at any one time but could give small amounts several times.

  7. spoonyfork says:

    I've never been to the club but I would like to someday. To ensure it is there when I need it to be, I have donated. My non-selfish reason is that I believe there is a an equal protection civil rights issue here worth supporting.

    Would buying club merchandise such as a t-shirt help or are different revenue streams pre-allocated?

    • c9 says:

      +1 as the kids say these days

    • jwz says:

      If you'd like to buy some merch, that would certainly help too! And it's extremely helpful when more people show up and spend money at our bar. But, our markup isn't really that high on our merchandise. A big chunk of that goes to actually printing the shirts and stuff.

  8. cattycritic says:

    Well, I've been to your club a bunch of times and I like it, and I want to keep going back. I've been for shows and just regular dance nights. I've been to lots of clubs and it has a very low bullshit factor, the crowd is generally pretty decent and the staff are, too. The music is good and the atmosphere is also cool. It would be a damned shame to see it run out of business by what appear to be a bunch of bigoted assholes, rather than people who actually have an interest in upholding the law. I don't particularly care whether you're a curmudgeon, either; seems pretty irrelevant to me.

    So I'm tossing you some money. I'm sorry that you've gotten to this point. I hope it ends well and soon.

    However, I wanted to also ask whether the combination of your fetish/sexual themed shows plus it being an all-ages bar may have triggered this. I wonder if you offered to make it 21+ again whether ABC would drop their charges or whatever. Not that I'm giving advice or anything, just curious.

    Oh yeah, I'll send off a polite but firmly worded letter to the people you mentioned, too, for good measure.

    • elusis says:

      However, I wanted to also ask whether the combination of your fetish/sexual themed shows plus it being an all-ages bar may have triggered this. I wonder if you offered to make it 21+ again whether ABC would drop their charges or whatever. Not that I'm giving advice or anything, just curious.

      "You know, what you oughta do..."

      I'm sure that after the amount of money spent on the all-ages renovations and licensing, and the fact that it allows the club to do more live music which is what jwz wants to see happen, dumping the all-ages (aka "giving in to the ABC's neo-fascistic tendencies) is exactly the course of action they'll be pursuing.

      Particularly when the "fetish/sexual-themed shows" (which are... which, again?) are 21+.

      • cattycritic says:

        I have no time for a pissing match with anyone, especially in a comments section of LJ with people I don't know. I suggest you go back and read the last sentence of that paragraph. I'm definitely no legal expert and I am pretty sure jwz's legal team had already considered all this.

  9. unwoman says:

    Because I play there a lot, and really enjoy it, even though lots of times I don't get paid (which I'm not complaining about) I threw down some dollars.

  10. lindseykuper says:

    So, if you wanted to have a 21+ music venue and you didn't want to serve food, would the only way around it be to also not serve alcohol?

    Harsh. I have to wonder how anyone ever makes a go of it.

    • jwz says:

      You can be 21+ and serve alcohol and not food.

      If you are under-21 and serve alcohol to those over 21, you must also serve food.

      If you don't ever serve alcohol, you can do whatever you want. But I can count on one finger the number of live music venues that I know of like that.

      ABC believes there are only two kinds of businesses that serve alcohol: "bars", which are 21+, and "restaurants", which are all ages. So every all ages concert venue in California that serves alcohol is technically a restaurant.

      ABC's policy (not backed up by the law, but their policy nonetheless) is that you are not a "bona fide eating place" unless your sales of food exceed your sales of alcohol.

      • rbm says:

        > ABC's policy (not backed up by the law, but their policy nonetheless) is that you are not a "bona fide eating place" unless your sales of food exceed your sales of alcohol.

        Seriously? That's crazy. I know of sit-down restaurants in SF where that's not true. Is that a point of contention?

        I donated even though the DNA isn't really my thing, re Death of Fun and all that.

      • wfaulk says:

        Here in lovely North Carolina, the rule is largely the same as what you describe, but there's an additional one where places that serve liquor but no food are allowed to be "members-only clubs". So there are a lot of bars, and some concert venues, that are technically members-only clubs where people are required to purchase a 30-day "membership" for a couple of bucks when entering the club. (For example.)

        I'm sure that you or your lawyers or someone would have already discovered if this was a possibility in your jurisdiction, but on the off chance that it got overlooked somehow, I thought I'd mention it.

        • kavavita says:

          weird! I don't ever remember dealing with that in NC (I grew up in Chapel Hill), just in Utah.

          But then again, in Chapel Hill we started clubbing at 13. Many rules were, um, widely overlooked. Many laws were wildly overlooked.

        • The California ABC has a license code for clubs, code 51. A club is allowed to admit minors and "guests" and isn't required to serve food. So its the logical classification for... a nightclub which has controls in place to avoid serving minors.

          But the way things actually work doesn't automatically reflect what the paperwork says. It may be that the ABC hasn't issued a new code 51 license in twenty years, or that it does issue them, but mysteriously only to "private members clubs" of the sort where every member turns out to rich, old and probably white.

          If JWZ says that all the other clubs in SF have restaurant licenses there'll be a reason for that. It might not be a good reason, it might not even make sense, but there'll be a reason.

    • lindseykuper says:

      Blargh. By "21+ music venue" I meant "all-ages music venue".

    • Something similar pertains in Washington, though I don't remember if it's a written or an unwritten rule. One place I know of had an attached restaurant that doesn't really share much clientele with the club (or many hours, either). Maybe jwz could rent out the club to a taco truck during the day. A donut robot. An automat.

  11. mapzter says:

    Donation sent. I've never been to the DNA Lounge, but I've enjoyed the webcasts, and this charge is sooo bogus.

  12. jered says:

    This is all very Richard Branson "how to turn a large fortune into a small fortune". I respect all your effort. Not to be an ass, but have you considered going to the press, especially now that you have the LDF set up?

  13. artistbyday says:

    The DNA is one of my frequent haunts, I would hate to see it go away over something so petty. Threw a few dollars your way to show some support- go stick it to the Man!