- People I actually know in person: you should go sign up on SonicLiving and friend me there. It's a concert-recommending web site that seems to actually work pretty well. (Let it read your iTunes. I recommend the "5 or more tracks" checkbox.)
If I don't know you, I'll probably ignore you. So make it obvious who you actually are, please. Left to its own devices, all SonicLiving tells me about you is first-name-last-initial, and that's really not enough to go on.
People who work on social network sites: You know what we, your users, are really sick of doing? Re-finding and re-friending all of our friends every time the intertubes spit out another whack-a-mole social network site. Why has your company not yet implemented brad's Social Graph API? Won't you get on that already please? Pretty fucking please?
People who work on social network sites, part 2: It's great that all of you are OpenID providers now. it's completely useless that none of you are OpenID consumers. What the hell, people.
I dug through Keychain Access and my cookies to try and track down all the sites I have a login on that have a notion of "friends", and "claimed ownership" of them on jwz.org. You do that like this:
- <link rel="openid.server" href="http://www.livejournal.com/openid/server.bml">
<link rel="openid.delegate" href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/jwz/">
<link rel="me" href="http://jwz.livejournal.com/">
<link rel="me" href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=789364605">
<link rel="me" href="http://www.myspace.com/yes_that_jwz">
<link rel="me" href="http://slashdot.org/~Jamie+Zawinski/">
<link rel="me" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jwz">
<link rel="me" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jwz/">
<link rel="me" href="http://tourb.us/fan/jwz">
<link rel="me" href="http://profiles.aim.com/yesthatjwz">
<link rel="me" href="http://twitter.com/jwz">
<link rel="me" href="http://www.last.fm/user/yesthatjwz">
<link rel="me" href="http://www.ilike.com/user/jwz">
<link rel="me" href="http://delicious.com/jwz">
<link rel="me" href="http://sanfrancisco.going.com/jwz">
<link rel="me" href="http://sonicliving.com/user/13961">
<link rel="me" href="http://upcoming.yahoo.com/user/235495/">
<link rel="me" href="http://pownce.com/jwz/">
<link rel="me" href="http://www.advogato.org/person/jwz/">
<link rel="me" href="http://www.plaxo.com/directory/profile/201864677621/5182860c/">
<link rel="me" href="http://friendfeed.com/jwz">
But that doesn't really do anything, since no sites pay attention to any of this. If you add that kind of stuff and then run your site through the Google social graph API demo, it doesn't actually find most of them. If you run it through the Plaxo graph searcher, it spiders them all, but you then discover that almost none of them are even providing rel="me" links back to your claimed home page.
If you use any of those sites, feel free to friend me (though as you can tell, I barely use any of them.) Again, if I actually know you in real life, make it clear to me who you are or I'll probably ignore you.
Possibly the reason that I barely use any of them is that they're kind of useless. But possibly the reason is that it's just too much hassle to re-create the friend tree on each of them. It's hard to tell.
the social graph: so many nodes, so little time.
The tubes are dumb.
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When did you get on FriendFeed? Last time I checked for you, you weren't there and I had to clone you.
Not long ago. It looks useless to me so I've only ever logged in once. Most of the time I sign up on these things just so nobody else can have the handle "jwz".
Did you ever find out who beat you to the punch on AOL?
No. That person has never once signed into AIM.
I'm glad you think SonicLiving works well. Enjoy!
I'm guessing that means you work there?
Assuming it does, here are the things that are kinda lame about it:
The database of shows seems more complete than the others I've tried, though, so that's swell.
I don't work there but they're my close friends. I will pass along your comments.
Ooh, get them to support eMusic too, for those of us whose hatred of iTunes burns with the white heat of a thousand suns.
It looks like you can get shows based on your iTunes or last.fm without actually setting up an account, which would be very cool, but it doesn't work. The iTunes upload never completes, and importing last.fm has no affect on what shows are displayed.
The iTunes uploader should give some indication of where the file to upload is. I know where "iTunes Music Library.xml" is, but lots of people don't know it exists.
It's cool that you can import your calendar into google calendar, but when I do, I'm getting SF shows. I'm in Seattle and using the "wishlist shows" calendar.
Just imagine the kind of people that develop social networks. Why do they do it? Because they want to fix the Universe, to match their notion of how socializing should look like. Meaning, they all have problems socializing. They pretend to be geeks (thus explaining their communication problems), but they are just freaks. And imagine a bunch of such freaks, getting together, each having their own version of ideal Universe; can they cooperate? They hate each other, as well as all the suckers that use their brilliant software. Everybody around is ignorant, inexperienced, sloppy, incompetent. If they are asked to introduced this or that feature, by, say, 100 000 people from around the world, they have a strong opinion: all those users just don't know what they actually need.
This is the same kind of people that executed thousands of users after the French revolution and millions of users after the Russian revolution. Because they know better. Even Hitler was better than them, because Hitler at least had German people which he tried to make happy, in his own weird way.
You give users the right to connect their accounts, freely migrating their avataras from one hosting service to another, and they lose their power over the people.
GODWIN IN 1!
I can't tell if you're a self-parody or not. Kudos, sir. Kudos.
Also, he says that Hitler is better, which is kind of an anti-Godwin of sorts? Very clever.
I am digging the "executed thousands of users" line.
[Do not understand "social networks" either though. A contact list / friend list may make sense for a given site offering some other core feature (e.g. Livejournal - publishing), anything cross-site just seems like a convenience to advertisers. Didn't we used to call these "portals" back in Web 0.9a?]
Sadly, I think you might be right.
I seem to recall OpenID having a bunch of security problems (although that post is from a year and a half ago so those issues could very well be resolved by now).
That post is pretty useless. They say there's a problem with CSRF and XSS, but the "problem" they mention is that once you've logged into e.g. LiveJournal to prove your identity to some other site, you're now logged into LiveJournal and you're now vulnerable if LiveJournal has any bugs.
I know of only two OpenID consumers that I bothered getting an account with: GamerDNA (OpenID optional) and stackoverflow (OpenID required). GamerDNA is more explicitly a social network, in trying to be a centralized place to post all of your game handles etc.
This was enough momentum to get me to set up the delegate (as you did, I used LiveJournal, mostly because Yahoo! and others where I have accounts made it a huge pain to figure out what to put in as the server).
I would just like to add: WTF is up with the new trend of "Give us your email password to get your address book. We promise we would never do anything bad with it"
Talk about fucked up 6 ways to Sunday. At least Gmail lets you export your address book in sane ways to work around this. But then again just because I have your email address in no way means I want you as a friend.
Similar thing exists for contacts in Hotmail, although I've not heard of Yahoo doing the same with their webmail. It's just a lot of sites seem to have crazy programmers who would rather just scrape a page than do things the proper way.
Throw that in along with the "Post this to your blog -- just give us your blog l/p" features.
"Crud almighty it didn't work."
alas, they only play nice with people whose itunes library is on the system disk
Having gotten that error message, and armed with the knowledge that jwz doesn't store his itunes library on the system disk, I went with:
ln -s /Volumes/Storage/Music/iTunes .
Thanks, i finally got it too. Now the problem is that they don't like my user icon. JWZ has a png so that's not it. Maybe they don't like alpha. Or the size. Oh well, I'll stick with my default planet of the apes pic.
I'm assuming some monkeys in the strategy and marketing divisions of the social networking companies have some sort of equation that goes...
OpenID provider = "owning" our online presence
OpenID consumer = admitting not owning everyone's online presence.
And therefore actually using OpenID in a meaningful way is an admission of failure in some way.
There's also a feeling of...
OpenID provider = our security & privacy is trustworthy
OpenID consumer = have to trust other people's security
Ooh, sonicliving lists ONE concert near me. And that's in April 2009. And it's Tina Turner.
I shall sign up posthaste.
Jesus, you must be further out in the stix than I am, I've got dozens in the next couple months. Then again, they're all at least an hour's drive.
I like how when I enter "Dublin, Ireland" as a location, it doesn't even bother telling me it doesn't know of such a location: it just stays at whatever location it was already at. Best I can get is London, England.
I suppose I could file a bug.
Yeah, they don't seem to think Canada exists, either.
I friended you as Erica M on sonic living last night, and just now have I had time to make it clear who I really am.
We wanted to let you know that Jamie Zawinski just joined Plaxo.
Jamie's in your address book and if you both connect, you can:
- View Jamie's profile,
- See who you and Jamie know in common,
- Share photos, contact info, blogs and more with Jamie
To connect with Jamie, go to:
You can also connect with Jaclyn Strano, John Newfry, Jamie Zawinski or see other people you may know
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Wow, the applet to scrape your iTunes list and upload it to your Sonic Living wishlist apparently does not work in Firefox for Mac, because it just runs and runs and nothing ever happens. Major FAIL. I had to use Safari to get it to work.