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Neat flash animation of who has controlled the middle east throughout history.

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15 Responses:

  1. edlang says:

    So much for the Saudi kingdom.

  2. Grr... the fonts disappear after the flashlet loads. Must be a problem with Adobe's flash implementation for linux. Anyway, all I see are a bunch of big color blobs filling the map over and over, without any legend about which empire was which...

  3. korgmeister says:

    That was pretty freakin' cool and nicely informative.

    It's interesting just how short a period of time the Crusader kingdoms were around and yet people in the Middle East are still pissed off about that (and, seemingly, at none of the other imperial powers who dominated them). How odd.

    • angua2010 says:

      Macedonia, Hellenism and the heirs of Alexander the Great are not very powerful today. Christianity, Catholics and the pope on the other hand are still around.

      And there are other reasons: Most of the powers where there before the founding of the islam and the crusaders were directly opposed to the islam.

      Oh, and btw: Yes, there is rivalry between the persians and the arabs in the middle east, though this stands back from the hostility again Israel and so is less talked about.

      • korgmeister says:

        Oh I know all about the rivalry between Persians and Arabs. There's a Persian lady at my work who simply will not shut up about it.

        • angua2010 says:

          Sorry, your "at none of the other imperial powers" sounded like you are not aware of the other rivalries in the region (I seldom hear about it in other places).

          There's a Persian lady at my work who simply will not shut up about it.

          Yeah, here it is a Persian male who likes to mock the Arabs. But then again he likes to mock everybody. ;-)

          • And the Chicagoans mock the Wisconsinites.
            And the English mock the French.
            And the French mock the Belgians.
            And the Chinese HATE the Japanese;
            and/or, perhaps, vice versa.
            This is not, by any stretch, a comprehensive enumeration.

            There's a lot of that sort of thing going around.

          • korgmeister says:

            Oh yeah, similar experience here.

            It's really fucking funny to watch her explode if anyone says there's any Arabs in Iran. That's a mistake I only made once.

    • cjensen says:

      The idea of this map is great, the history sucks.

      The crusader kingdoms started before the fall of the Byzantine Empire, and was not a sudden incursion a jillion miles from Christian controlled areas into the heart of Islam as was depicted. There was a lot of push and pull during both the expansion and later decline of the Islamic States. The Persian Empire was a lot more interesting. And so on.

      But apparently it's a lot easier to animate "a circle that expands and takes over the old empire immediately" than it is to go to a library and do actual research, particularly when you're trying to demonstrate the impermanence of empires and history is uncooperative with that thesis.

  4. angua2010 says:

    A map about Europe would look quite similar.

  5. carus_erus says:

    Iranian Empire = stupid, as well as leaving off era of British and American conquest. Let's not be afraid to name names. Otherwise cool.

    I just woke up, so snarkyness warning implied.

  6. wehmuth says:

    Shame about the raging paranoid speculation at the end. Otherwise, very interesting.