the problem with mash-ups... that once you get past both "oh, that's unexpected" and "that must have been difficult", what you're left with is a dj with really fucking terrible taste in music.

47 Responses:

  1. iota says:

    the real problem is the word 'mash-up'. that phrase makes it sound like someone took a shit on the music, which is most likely true.

    it's a god damned remix!

  2. el_olvidado says:

    i want to blow my radio up when live 105 does the six mix...hollaback girl mixed with radio clash is just annoying.

    • jwz says:

      I haven't willingly listened to radio in almost eight years. Perhaps you've heard of this invention called a CD player? They can play MP3s now too!

      • el_olvidado says:

        i have's just that i have to share a car with two dominant women who torment me on the way home from work.

        • gytterberg says:

          When it gets really bad, just think: Some people pay for that.

        • vxo says:

          Try something like this. Note that the output's a square wave, so it's going to be very rich in harmonics - the output's power will be distributed across every harmonic from the fundamental frequency up. (Or is it every odd-numbered one?)

          Try it, but if it throws off nearby cell phones too, you might want to add a lowpass filter...

          • strspn says:

            Awesome! Electronics don't get any more elegant, simple, or illegal than that. 100 MHz crystals are not rare as the linked page suggests -- they are common and cost $0.20 typically. I must try this.

            A full-fledged oscilator gives approximate square waves (with odd-only harmonics) but raw quartz with a simple DC bias doesn't.

            Overdriven quartz is half a sinusoid and half essentially flat. Anything above about 50 MHz from quartz is driven from overtones alone, which has an even sloppier waveform, which must be how it knocks out the enitre FM band. And cellphones, too? I wonder how. Do you know this from first-hand experience?

            And they say crystals don't actually bring peace and harmony.

        • jesus_x says:

          And you like it.

      • fo0bar says:

        CDs are for music, radios are for NPR.

    • endquote says:

      If by annoying you mean "absolutely awesome." Mashups require a real sense of humor to appreciate, which <lj user="jwz"> isn't really known for. They tend to be a lot more about "fun to listen to" than about being "quality music", and some are certainly better than others.

      I recommend checking out mixes by Shir Khan, who's a lot better than Party Ben (which is who does Sixx Mixx, though I love him too).

      • gargargar says:

        No, wait, don't tell me. Your record collection is largely Weird Al Yankovic, Peter Shikele, and Doctor Demento productions.

        Novelty records vs. Good Music aside, jwz's objection to the fad seems to be that the "fun to listen to" aspects of these tracks last for only about the first few bars. After the first part, your reaction tends to be "okay, okay, I GET IT ALREADY!"

        • otterley says:

          My objection to the fad is that people seem to be oblivious to the fact that it was interesting for approximately the same amount of time when the technique was invented twenty years ago.

          • baconmonkey says:

            Turntable mixing is more than 30 years old.

            Sonic Foundry (now owned by Sony) put out the first version of "Acid" in 1997.

            Mashups are almost exclusively created via digital editing software like Acid, then a button-jockey presses play and OMG, 2 Songs (pre-recorded) At Once!!!!

            There are the moments of Brilliance out there, but mostly it's overplayed-pop-swill-of-the-moment played with overplayed-pop-swill-from-10-to-20-years-ago. For a moment of brilliance, I point to Ausoween, which predates the term "mashup" by many years. But I may be biassed, because I had pretty much the same idea concerning those two songs years ago, but lacked access to good high-end digital editing software like Pro Tools.

            • jwz says:

              See, that song would be the canonical example of "clever once". It's not even that good a mix; after the first switch, most of it is just a muddy mess.

              AND, it has the inexcusable fucking side effect that any time someone writes "Ich Bin Ein Auslander" on the request list, the DJ translates that to "Ausoween" instead. Because that's. You know. Funnier. Or gother. Or something.

              When's the last time you've heard the original in a club? It's like it doesn't even exist any more.

              • muftak says:

                that Ausoween remix is, um, interesting...
                have never heard it played before, they always play the orininal here in england

        • endquote says:

          You're not going to find much in the way of "club music" (or western music for that matter) that is so complex that you can't figure it out in the course of a few bars or a few songs. There are a million four-piece bands that play their music in more-or-less the same way, and are totally predictable, but that doesn't mean they're not good music. Speaking specifically of mashups, the example used here is really not the best -- there are other tracks that mix bits of four or five others as opposed to just two, which are a lot more interesting than Nelly vs. Lynrd Skynrd.

      • "quality music" is generally a prerequisite for achieving "fun to listen to" without the aid of mind-altering substances. Actually, even with them.

      • cow says:

        I imagine, on top of what's noted above, you also find anime "music videos" awesome and original, too.

  3. strspn says:

    Smash-Up Derby does it the right way.... as you know from first-hand experience.

  4. fo0bar says:

    Lazyweb, what is a mash-up?

    • fo0bar says:

      Ah, like that Real Slim Shady/Oops I Did It Again thing from the 90s.

      • iota says:

        yes but this is THE YEAR TWO THOULSAND, where things aren't called by regular names!

        • fo0bar says:

          THE YEAR TWO THOULSAND?!? I've been thrown back in time! I must warn people about 9-Eleven and the war! And maipulate the stock market! And buy some New Coke! And go to a bar!

      • korgmeister says:

        Reads, remembers he liked that Slim Shady remix.

        Downloads a bunch of others from links in the Wikipedia article.

        Realises that most of them are really shite.

        Regains a new thankfulness for the delete key.

  5. baconmonkey says:

    perhaps a mash-up of "Mashed Potato Time" by Dee Dee Sharpe and "Get up (sexmachine)" by James Brown would create a vortex of Irony so great that it would cause the entire Mash-up world to implode in on itself?

  6. fantasygoat says:

    Mash-ups are the aural equivalent of forwarded email jokes.

  7. mysterc says:

    "Mash ups" are what the "DJ's" I grew up listening to did in the early 80's. They called it "mixing"

  8. 5beroptic says:

    It was stated earlier but I simply can't take a mash-up very seriously at_all to be honest. People seem to think two bad songs make one good one but to each there own. The only time a mash-up seems proper is on a bad radio show or at club where people have consumed enough booze to knock an elephant over.

  9. sherbooke says:

    so uncool, uh?

    as an aesthetic relation to William Burroughs, hell, mash-ups do better than most things floating round the aether these day

    Look at the overall picture rather than the intermediate one which you seemed to be tuned to. Fragments joined to make a greater whole - that was point, no? You frame quotidien so that it becomes so.

    Is your taste that much better? I guess not.

  10. benchilada says:

    I call clever "mash-ups" by the more dignified "versus" tag.
    Ones like the ricockulously fun "Closer to Wannabe" -- NIN v. Spice Girls and the seamlessly made "Intergalactic Guerilla Radio" -- Beastie Boys v. Rage Against the Machine, both of which sit happily on the music drive of my 'puter.

    I call shitty ones "somebody with PCDJ and too much time on their hands."

  11. philipkd says:

    Nobody liked DJ Danger Mouse's mash-up?

  12. kokopoko says:

    I kinda like mashups. If they're not that bad. And I love DangerMouse.