jwz says:> We don't do international orders because the rates of> fraud are way higher, and it's just not worth the hassle.You mean that here in the future, there's no practical wayfor an online merchant to assure he gets paid for thet-shirt? Shocking.--chrLusaka, Zambia
No, it's not that -- it's that according to the credit card companies, "the customer is always right." International orders have a vastly higher incidence of charge-backs than domestic (where the customer tells the CC company "I didn't get what I ordered" and the CC company says "yes sir!" and takes the money back from the vendor.)
I don't know why this happens so much more often for international orders, but it does.
What I'd want from the CC company is an optional paymentmethod in which I, the client, "donate" the cash to thevendor, and give up my otherwise comfortable right tochange my mind once I get the merchandise.Would that open up for too much fraud?--chr
You've completely lost me.
Maybe it's all that <PRE>
Sorry about messing up your web design with the <pre> tag, just didn't know how to quote in a non-usenet forum.
What's the conventional way? Italics?
Mostly you don't need to cite, since, unlike usenet and email, these messages never expire. But when they do cite, most people use <I>. But I use <BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE><I> because I am extra double fancy like that.
And I still have no idea what you were asking.
What I'm asking is: What if customers could make an alternative online credit card payment that was unconditional and irrevocable? Kind of like sending stamps or cash by mail.
Why haven't VISA et al. implemented that?
(if that was too dense, could you please highlight the parts that are particularly difficult to parse?)
I would assume that market pressures contra-indicate that. That is, this isn't something people have ever wanted, or at least MasterVisaCard doesn't perceive it that way. Perhaps you should disabuse them of that notion.
...unconditional and irrevocable...
Consumer protection laws limit the liability of customers when their cards are stolen and someone runs up a huge bill on them. If your transactions were irrevocable (or if there was an option to make them so), you would have a hard time recovering anything if someone stole your card and used it in your name.
Bank cards (aka debit cards, check cards) don't typically offer liability limits, though they do have daily withdrawal limits.
Hey, cool, real info.
Paypal, for one, doesn't do chargebacks.
It sounds like PayPal only prohibits chargebacks from people in the same country, which wouldn't help at all. And even then, they don't prohibit it, they just make it harder.
But more importantly, they rape you on fees. Fuck Paypal.
In australia, it is a lot harder to do a chargeback than it is in other countries.
Though in the company that I work for, our largest amount of charge backs comes from the US.
Hi from the 51st state... since you seem to consider Canada domestic!
Minor brokenness in your shopcart app's quote-escaping: It puts three backslashes before an apostrophe.
Dang furriners and yer dang apostrophes!
Actually, it's a Merkin apostrophe. Bub. ;-)
Is that the one also known as a foot mark?
I think 74% of Malaysia's GNP is credit card fraud. I don't know how they get the numbers, but if you get an order from there or Indonesia and the card address is in Nebraska or something, you're fucked. It's also always the case that they pick the most expensive shipping option.
It's also amazing that usually if you go through the trouble to call the bank and verify that the card is stolen, the bank totally doesn't give a fuck that it is stolen and won't do shit until the person calls it in. If this is the case, I have no idea why my card is always getting temporarily suspended when I'm on vacation.
Um, Sir...we don't have change at Coatcheck, could we charge a buck for the pins instead? Or 2 for a buck...?
Two for a buck is well within the range of mathematical possibility over.
Ok, some yahoo is gonna ask for one, though. Guess they are just gonna tip me 50 cents, over.
So, since you're not using a third party to do the stuff, when do you update the backstage page?
I'll second that.
yes, yes, divulge filthy secrets so we can hax0r joo.
Do the t-shirt fronts actually say anything, or is it just the logo with a tall box containing some lines?
I can't tell from the picture if it's trying to represent five lines of text, or if it's really just five horizontal lines.
It's really just lines.
On the back, the green-ink shirts say "San Francisco" below the logo and have a small URL running up the right side; the older black/white ink shirts have the URL at the bottom instead.
Ugh, TicketWeb sucks ass.
Yes, which is why we're starting to sell tickets on our own. The ones that are currently on sale through TicketWeb went on sale before yesterday.
Looks good. If you don't mind me asking, what's your credit card rate like?
For all your dang furriners...
Where did you get those kickass buttons made? They are sweet.